November 19, 2021

Getting Good at This Skill Will Change Everything

Earlier this year, longtime friend-of-the-list Peter Akkies had me on his podcast How They Get Stuff Done to talk about financial incentives, BS marketing, my daily workflow, and a lot more.


Here are the show notes from Peter’s site:

Why is marketing NOT bullshit? What does Karl Marx have to do with how we do business? And why is hourly billing completely nuts?

“If you are not interested in helping your clients, then you should just stick to employment.” - Jonathan Stark

Jonathan Stark is a former software developer who is on a mission to rid the world of hourly billing. He is the author of Hourly Billing Is Nuts, the host of the Ditching Hourly podcast, and writes a daily newsletter on pricing for independent professionals. Jonathan has also written a number of books, offers a coaching program, and runs live group courses.

I ran into Jonathan’s writings a few years ago, when I was first learning about the world of online business. I was pursuing a business idea that didn’t end up going anywhere—more on that in the episode—but while doing research, I discovered Jonathan’s ideas about how to run a service-based business and those ideas blew my mind.

Jonathan and I discuss:

And much more. Oh, and Karl Marx makes an appearance. Enjoy the show!

If you enjoy the episode, maybe let Peter know :)



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