Captain’s log, stardate 20170208

“hey, this is cool, but you gotta pay me more”

Today in one of my Slack rooms, I got into a thread with a developer friend about how to manage a client who was overstepping their bounds on a fixed price engagement.

It’s a little long but I’m pretty sure you’ll find it useful.

NOTE: For some mysterious reason, my friend asked to be referred to in this message as Justin Timberlake. Regretably, I’m not actually in a chat room with JT :-(

Yours,

—J

Justin Timberlake

So, I have this project I’m working on (development project), and I did not anticipate the client’s desired frequency and duration of phone calls. Like, we’ll have had three this week with me, client, and two other outside contractors, all running at least 2 hours. Which is fine, but… it’s sucking up all of my focus.

I need to come up with a good way to say “hey, this is cool, but you gotta pay me more”

like yeah, as part of hiring me for development, I’ll give you some advice… but this is becoming too much

Anybody been in that situation/have language they’ve used?

Jonathan Stark

re long frequent calls: what is the nature of the engagement? i.e., what were you hired to do?

Justin Timberlake

development

hired b/c I’m the expert

so I don’t mind offering a decent amount of strategic input, but… damn

Jonathan Stark

that’s two different things :troll:

Justin Timberlake

yes I realize that

Jonathan Stark

how are you being paid?

hourly or fixed?

Justin Timberlake

flat fee

Jonathan Stark

nod nod

Justin Timberlake

if it was hourly I’d ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Jonathan Stark

do you feel like you’re adding value in the meetings or is it a waste of time to sit in on them?

Justin Timberlake

adding value

there’s some “let’s come back to the path, we’re waaaay in the weeds here”

but that’s just the nature of things

Jonathan Stark

it sounds like a lot of meeting time. what would you say is the cause of that?

Justin Timberlake

1) lots of things to be figured out 2) lots of indecision/anxiety on the part of the client

he needs reassurance

Jonathan Stark

re #2 oof

Justin Timberlake

I mean, that’s ok to some extent; I get it

there’s a feeling of “we have to get this right” b/c it could be huge

but he’s too far on the side of “start with perfect” vs iterate to perfect

Jonathan Stark

how are you deciding what’s “right?”

Justin Timberlake

what I know from experience, and inputs from him on what his community is like

I’m not the only party, though

there’s another outside person who is mainly marketing

Jonathan Stark

so, lots of time spent deciding “how big to make the logo?”

Justin Timberlake

oh no no

actual real more important things

like “what discussion forum/group platform do we use to best build a real sense of community”

Jonathan Stark

gotcha

Justin Timberlake

what content do we launch with, how is it sold, etc.

Real Decisions™

Jonathan Stark

sounds like the kind of stuff that coulda/shoulda been decided before the dev project. would that have been possible?

Justin Timberlake

yeah - I thought they had more of this stuff figured out before coming to me :slightly_smiling_face:

which, again - fine, but

Jonathan Stark

(btw, i’m not being critical, just trying to get the context)

Justin Timberlake

for sure

like, this is great, it’s an opportunity for me to help drive decisions

Jonathan Stark

only great if you’re getting paid equitably :slightly_smiling_face:

Justin Timberlake

yep

Jonathan Stark

what is the overall objective for the project?

Justin Timberlake

help tens/hundreds of thousands of people in [REDACTED]

Jonathan Stark

is it a pro bono site?

Justin Timberlake

nope

$18/month

~$100/year launch promo, probably

Jonathan Stark

mkay, so semantics, but helping those people is not the objective it’s the mission (which is bigger than just this project, probably)

what’s the specific objective for this project?

how will success be measured?

Justin Timberlake

number of members

Jonathan Stark

perfect

Justin Timberlake

(keep it coming - this gets into the part of VBF I struggle with, but let’s go through it)

Jonathan Stark

is there anything you can do to measure progress toward that goal prior to launching?

Justin Timberlake

not as planned

Jonathan Stark

which means youre shooting in the dark and taking a lot of time to aim

Justin Timberlake

yep, exactly

Jonathan Stark

k, we’re on the same page

two options:

Decrease the amount of time spent in meetings by pointing out that as a team you’re spending too much time making decisions based on not enough data. This is not just a waste of everyone’s time, but significantly increases the risk of failure.
Change the nature of your engagement by saying that you were under the impression that you were hired to do development but in reality it’s at least half a strategic engagement. He can either pay you for the strategy sessions, or you can opt out of some or all of the meetings and just do as you’re told.

I much prefer #1

2a is my second fave (i.e., increase your rate)

2b is the worst option (i.e., do as you’re told)

Justin Timberlake

roger that

yeah, think that makes sense

agree 2b is turrible

Jonathan Stark

agreeing as a team to some progress metrics would perhaps go a long way toward calming his nerves

Justin Timberlake

mm, yeah

Jonathan Stark

Option 1 is a bit of a tough sell since the plane is already in flight, but IMHO it’s the most humane option for the client

keeps him on budget, increases chances of success, and decreases the amount of time wasted in meetings

Justin Timberlake

yeah, can’t let it continue as-is b/c it’ll end with me table-flipping

thanks for the guidance!

Jonathan Stark

YW! I should maybe do this for a living ;-)

Thanks for reading! See you tomorrow.

—J